Citigroup Q2 Earnings Call Transcript

123jump.com Staff
17 Jul, 2011
New York City

The financial services provider total quarterly revenues declined 7% to $20.6 billion. Net income in the quarter increased 24% to $3.34 billion. Earnings per share rose to $1.09 as against 90 cents per share in the previous-year quarter.

Citigroup Inc. ((C))
Q2 2011 Earnings Call Transcript
July 15, 2011 11:00 a.m. ET

Executives

John Andrews – Head, Investor Relations
Vikram S. Pandit – Chief Executive Officer
John C. Gerspach – Chief Financial Officer

Analysts

Glenn Schorr – Nomura Securities International, Inc.
Jason Goldberg – Barclays Capital
James Mitchell – Buckingham Research
Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch
Betsy Graseck – Morgan Stanley
John McDonald – Sanford C. Bernstein
Ronald Mandle – GIC
Matthew O’Connor – Deutsche Bank
Edward Najarian – ISI Group
Gerard Cassidy – RBC Capital
Moshe Orenbuch – Credit Suisse
Peter Ganucheau – Carlson Capital
Michael Mayo – Caylon Securities
John Dunn – Meredith Whitney Advisory
Michael Holton – The Boston Company

Presentation

Operator

Hello and welcome to Citi''s Second Quarter 2011 Earnings Review with Chief Executive Officer, Vikram Pandit and Chief Financial Officer, John Gerspach. Today''s call will be hosted by John Andrews, Head of Citi Investor Relations. We ask that you please hold all questions until the completion of the formal remarks at which time you will be given instructions for the question-and-answer session. Also, as a reminder, this conference is being recorded today. If you have any objections, please disconnect at this time. Mr. Andrews, you may begin.

John Andrews

Sarah [ph], thank you very much and good morning to everybody. Thank you for joining us this morning. On our call today, we will start off with Vikram, our CEO, who will give you an overview of the quarter, and then John Gerspach, our CFO, will take you through the earnings presentation, which is available for download on our website, www.citigroup.com. Afterwards we will be happy to take your questions.

Before we get started, I would like to remind you that today''s presentation may contain forward-looking statements which are based on management''s current expectations and are subject to uncertainty and changes in circumstances. Actual results and capital and other financial conditions may differ materially from these statements due to a variety of factors, including the precautionary statements referenced in our discussion today and those included in our SEC filings and including, without limitation, the Risk Factors section of our 2010 Form 10-K.

With that out of the way, now let me turn it over to Vikram.

Vikram S. Pandit

John, thank you, and good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining us today. We announced earnings of $3.3 billion for the second quarter, which brings our total net income for the first half to $6.3 billion. This was another solid quarter of operating performance as we continue to execute our strategy and invest in our franchise.
Loans grew throughout our core businesses in the second quarter at a level that more than offset the reduction in Citi Holdings. Revenues from our international consumer banking operations increased from the previous quarter and year, as did the net income from the North American consumer bank.

In our institutional businesses, investment, corporate and private banking revenues improved. Global transaction services performed very well as net income increased from the previous quarter despite continued low interest rates. However, our markets business was clearly impacted by the trading environment.

In Citi Holdings, we continued the reduction of assets in an economically rational matter. Our holdings assets were reduced by $29 billion during the quarter from 337 billion to 308 billion and now make up less than 16% of Citigroup''s balance sheet.

We remain on track to meet the Basel III capital requirements through both the optimization of our assets and the generation of capital. We continue to expect that Citi will be in a position to return capital to shareholders in 2012 and still have an 8% to 9% Basel III Tier 1 common capital ratio at the end of that year.

As we will show later in the presentation and John Gerspach will take you through this, our earnings and utilization of deferred tax assets create a multiplier effect on regulatory capital formation. In the first half of this year, this generated $9 billion of Basel III regulatory capital on $6.3 billion of earnings and $1.5 billion of DTA utilization.

Looking forward, while we are comfortable with the broader macroeconomic trends that underpin our strategy, we are concerned with the impact the near-term economic environment will have on the industry for the second half of the year. But that said, we are consistently profitable and remain focused on growing responsibly.

Let me turn it over to John, who will take you through our presentation and we will come back to the Q&A later.

John C. Gerspach

Thank you, Vikram, and good morning, everyone. Starting on slide two, Citigroup reported second quarter net income of 3.3 billion or $1.09 per diluted share versus a $0.90 per share in the second quarter of 2010. Revenues of 20.6 billion were down 7% versus the prior year as strong growth in international consumer banking and transaction services was more than offset by lower revenues in Citi Holdings, Securities & Banking, and North America Consumer Banking.

Expenses were up 9% year-over-year to 12.9 billion but, excluding the U.K. bonus tax of roughly 400 million in the second quarter of 2010, expenses were up nearly 13%. Approximately one-third of this 13% increase resulted from the impact of foreign exchange and another third was related to higher legal and related costs. The remaining third was driven by the net impact of investment spending, partially offset by ongoing productivity savings. All other expense increases, such as higher volume-related costs in Citicorp, were largely offset by a reduction in Citi Holdings'' expenses.

Net credit losses declined again in the second quarter to 5.1 billion, 35% lower than the second quarter of 2010. We also released $2 billion of net loan-loss reserves compared to a 1.5 billion net release last year and a 3.3 billion in the first quarter.

On a sequential basis, end-of-period loans grew 2% for Citigroup as strong loan growth in Citicorp more than offset the decline in Citi Holdings.

Turning now to Citicorp and Citi Holdings on slide three, Citicorp reported revenues of 16.3 billion and net income of 3.7 billion in the second quarter, down slightly versus last year. Sequentially, we grew end-of-period loans in every business, in every region in Citicorp and the same holds true year-over-year with the exception of North America branded cards. Versus last year Citicorp loans grew 16% including 11% growth in consumer and 22% growth in corporate loans.

Citi Holdings reported revenues of 4 billion and a net loss of 218 million, which included over $0.5 billion of pretax realized gains on the sale of assets transferred out of held-to-maturity in the special asset pool in the first quarter. Citi Holdings ended the quarter with 308 billion of assets, down 29 billion during the quarter and 157 billion year-over-year.

Now on slide four, we show a nine-quarter trend for Citicorp''s results. Excluding CVA, Citicorp''s revenues of 16.2 billion in the second quarter were flat versus the prior year. Sequentially, revenues were down 3% as growth in regional Consumer Banking and transaction services was more than offset by lower revenues in Securities and Banking.

Operating expense of 10.1 billion were up 10% versus the prior year but again, excluding the U.K. bonus tax in the second quarter of 2010, expenses were up 14%. Over a quarter of this 14% increase resulted from the impact of foreign exchange. The remainder was primarily driven by investment spending. All other expense increases, such as higher volume-related costs, were largely offset by ongoing productivity savings.

Citicorp''s net credit losses were 2.2 billion, down 27% from the prior year, driven by Citi-branded cards in North America. We released 914 million in net loan-loss reserves, up from 665 million last year due to higher net releases in Citi branded cards, partially offset by lower releases in international Consumer Banking and the corporate portfolio.

Excluding CVA, earnings before taxes of 4.9 billion were up 3% year-over-year as lower credit costs more than offset higher operating expenses. Emerging markets continued to be a significant driver of Citicorp results as shown on slide five. Excluding CVA, emerging markets contributed nearly half of Citicorp''s revenues and over 60% of earnings before taxes in the second quarter.

Emerging markets revenues have grown year-over-year for five consecutive quarters, driven by both our consumer and institutional businesses. This growth reflects consistent strength in underlying business drivers with average deposits up 13% year-over-year and loans up 27%.

Slide six shows results for our North America Consumer Banking business. Revenues of 3.4 billion were down 9% versus last year, mainly due to a decline in average card loans, lower mortgage revenues and the impact of CARD Act. Sequentially, revenues were up 1%. Expenses of $1.8 billion were up 17% year-over-year and 5% sequentially as we continue to increase investments, largely through higher marketing and technology spending.

Credit costs declined 74% from last year to $552 million. Net credit losses were down 39% to 1.3 billion, driven by Citi-branded cards, and the reserve release was 757 million this quarter. Net credit margin grew by 32% year-over-year to 2.1 billion. Sequentially, we grew both end-of-period retail and card loans, although average card loans declined modestly. On a year-over-year basis, purchase sales grew 2% while card accounts were roughly flat.

Turning to our international Consumer Banking businesses on slide seven, international revenues were 4.8 billion in the second quarter, up 12% year-over-year, with growth in all regions. Revenue growth reflects continued improvement in underlying drivers as well as a benefit from foreign exchange, partially offset by spread compression. Year-over-year, average deposits and loans grew by 17% and 20%, respectively.

Investment sales were up 5% versus last year and card purchases grew 28%. Expenses were $3 billion in the second quarter, up 19% versus last year, with over a third of the increase due to the impact of foreign exchange. The remainder primarily reflects higher investment spending and volume-related costs, partially offset by continued productivity savings.

A lower net reserve release resulted in an increase in credit costs, up 52% year-over-year to 629 million. Net credit losses declined 12% to 697 million while the net loan-loss reserve release was 90 million this quarter versus 403 million in the prior year. Higher revenues and lower net credit losses resulted in net credit margin expansion up 17% year-over-year to 4.1 billion.

On slide eight, we show growth trends for international Consumer Banking in more detail. International growth reflects both the economic environment in these markets, as well as the results of our investment spending. Sequentially, we have grown average loans and deposits every quarter for over two years and card purchase sales have increased year-over-year for seven quarters. We have also increased our net credit margin and our earnings before taxes, excluding the impact of loan-loss reserves, year-over-year for seven consecutive quarters.

Slide nine shows our Securities and Banking business. Excluding CVA, revenues of $5.3 billion were down 7% from last year and down 15% versus the prior quarter. In Investment Banking, revenues of $1.1 billion were up 27% sequentially with strength in both advisory and underwriting activities.

Ex-CVA, equity markets revenues of 776 million were down 30% sequentially, mainly due to lower market volumes in a challenging trading environment, particularly in derivatives. Fixed income market revenues ex-CVA were down 27% sequentially to 2.9 billion, driven by credit-related and securitized products.

Our rates and currencies business showed a much smaller revenue decline as lower G10 revenues were partially offset by growth in emerging markets. Lending revenues were 346 million, up from 244 million last quarter, due to lower hedge losses. Private bank revenues, excluding CVS, were up 7% sequentially to 555 million.

Total operating expenses of 3.9 billion were down 1% from the second quarter of 2010. Excluding the impact of the U.K. bonus tax last year, expenses were up 9% mainly due to investment spending partially offset by productivity savings. Credit costs were 59 million in the second quarter compared to a benefit in the prior-year period.

Now moving to transaction services on slide 10, revenues of 2.7 billion were up 6% from the second quarter of last year, driven by growth in the emerging markets. Treasury and trade solutions was up 6%, primarily due to higher trade revenues and increased deposits, partially offset by spread compression. Securities and fund services grew 6% year-over-year, driven by strong growth in custody and securities lending on new client mandates as well as market activity.

Transaction volumes and new mandates continued to show momentum in both businesses. Asset growth was driven by trade loans with average trade assets up 70% from last year. Average deposits grew 14% year-over-year to 365 billion with a favorable shift towards core operating balances. Assets under custody were up 19% to 13.5 trillion as a result of market and client activity. Expenses of 1.4 billion were up 18% versus last year, reflecting higher volumes and continued investments, partially offset by productivity savings.

On slide 11, we show a nine-quarter trend for Citi Holdings. The loss in Citi Holdings narrowed to 218 million in the second quarter, which included over $0.5 billion of realized pretax gains on the sale of assets transferred out of held-to-maturity in the special asset pool in the first quarter. Revenues were down 18% year-over-year to $4 billion due primarily to lower assets. While expenses of 2.2 billion were down 9% versus last year, sequentially costs were up 185 million primarily due to higher legal and related costs. Total credit costs were down by more than half to 2.1 billion.

Looking at Citi Holdings in more detail on slide 12, revenues in Brokerage and Asset Management were 47 million this quarter, down from the second quarter of 2010, reflecting a lower contribution from the Morgan Stanley Smith Barney JV. In local consumer lending, revenues were down 30% versus last year to 2.9 billion driven by declining loan balances.

In the special asset pool, revenues were 1 billion in the second quarter, reflecting the previously mentioned realized gains on the sale of assets transferred out of held-to-maturity last quarter as well as realized gains on other asset dispositions. Credit costs were down by more than half year-over-year to 2.1 billion as credit trends continued to improve in both the consumer and corporate portfolios. Total net credit losses were down 40% to 3 billion and we released 1.1 billion of net loan-loss reserves in Citi Holdings.

Slide 13 shows the Citi Holdings assets. We ended the quarter with 308 billion in Citi Holdings or 16% of total Citigroup assets. The $29 billion reduction in the second quarter was comprised of nearly 21 billion of asset sales and business dispositions, over 7 billion of net run-off and pay downs and roughly 1 billion of net cost of credit and net asset marks.

On slide four, we show -- on slide 14, we show the drivers of Citi Holdings'' wind down over the past 10 quarters. Net credit costs and net assets marks are down dramatically since early 2009, representing only 2 billion of net decline in the first half of 2011. The next largest component is net run-off and pay downs, which have gradually declined as the remaining portfolio has gotten smaller. Finally, the most significant driver has been assets sales and business dispositions.

As we have discussed previously, there is a smaller pool of assets available for sale today than in prior periods. Additionally, there are only a few remaining businesses of significant size and futures sales activity would depend on both attractive terms and a favorable funding environment.

Moving to slide 15, we take a closer look at the remaining assets in Citi Holdings. Brokerage and Asset Management is mostly related to the Morgan Stanley Smith Barney JV. Morgan Stanley has calls to purchase our stake in the JV in three tranches beginning in 2012 and either party has the right to cause an IPO after 2015.

We have also roughly $12 billion of margin loans and other assets, the majority of which should transfer to the JV by the end of 2012. Local consumer lending is a mix of operating businesses and run-off portfolios. Two sizable operating businesses remain. First is retail partner cards with 45 billion of assets. Second is CitiFinancial with 32 billion of assets, including both the one-name business and CitiFinancial servicing.

On slide 15, these assets are included in both mortgages and personal loans. The majority of assets in local consumer lending will either run-off or be reduced by smaller sales. Over half of the assets are mortgages with a roughly six-year expected average life.

The Special Asset Pool consists of securities, loans and other assets. Roughly 19 billion are trading assets or available for sale, 13 billion are held-to-maturity securities with an expected average life of seven years, 7 billion are loans and leases which we currently expect to reduce significantly by the end of next year and the remainder is other assets, including private equity positions, targeted for sale.

Slide 16 shows the results of the Corporate Other segment. Here revenues declined by 400 million versus last year reflecting lower investment yields and the impact of hedging activities partially offset by the gain on sale of the portion of the stake in HDFC this quarter.

Net income also reflects higher operating expenses during the quarter. Expenses were up by 415 million versus last year mainly due to legal and related costs. Assets of 269 billion include approximately 78 billion of cash and cash equivalents and 130 billion of liquid available for sale securities.

Slide 17 shows total Citigroup net credit losses and loan loss reserves. NCLs continued to improve in the second quarter, down 18% sequentially to 5.1 billion and the net LLR release was 2 billion versus 3.3 billion in the prior quarter. We ended the quarter with 34.4 billion of total loan-loss reserves and our LLR ratio was 5.4%. Consumer NCLs declined 11% sequentially to 4.8 billion and we released 1.5 billion in net loan-loss reserves.

Corporate credit was a benefit of 107 million in the second quarter compared to 520 million last quarter. Corporate net credit losses were down 59% sequentially to 349 million, driven in part by lower cost of loan sales. We released 456 million of net corporate loan-loss reserves, down from 1.4 billion in the first quarter. Corporate non-accrual loans of 4.8 billion were down 12% versus the prior quarter.

Slide 18 shows our international consumer credit trends. In Citicorp, as our loan portfolios grew, dollar NCLs were up modestly from the first quarter in Asia and Latin America but remained stable to improving on a rate basis. 90-plus-day delinquencies also increased sequentially in dollar terms in Asia and Latin America, but remained fairly stable as a percentage of loans. We also saw continued improvement in international consumer credit in Citi Holdings.

On slide 19, we show North America''s Citi branded cards in Citicorp and retail partner cards in Citi Holdings. Credit trends for both portfolios continued to improve. In Citi-branded cards, NCLs decreased by 9% sequentially to 1.2 billion and 90-plus-day celebrities were down 16% to 1.2 billion.

In retail partner cards, NCLs decreased by 14% sequentially to 956 million and 90-plus-day delinquencies declined by 18% to 1.1 billion. For both portfolios, early-stage delinquencies also showed improvement on both a dollar and a rate basis.

On slide 20, we show the North America mortgage portfolio in Citi Holdings split between residential first mortgages and home equity loans. NCLs and 90-plus-day delinquencies improved in both portfolios in the second quarter.

In residential first mortgages, we ended the second quarter with $73 billion of loans, down 19% from a year ago. Sequentially, 90-plus-day delinquencies declined by 13% to 3.9 billion and were down more than 50% from last year. Net credit losses were down 17% sequentially to 461 million. The sequential decline in first mortgage delinquencies again was partly due to continued asset sales as we sold nearly 800 million in delinquent mortgages in the quarter.

Regarding modification activity, over the past nine quarters we have converted 5.7 billion of trial mods to permanent modifications. More than three-quarters of these modifications were HAMP and we continue to experience redefault rates on HAMP-modified loans of less than 15%. The remainder were modified under other Citi programs and to date the redefault rate on these modifications has been less than 25%.

In recent quarters, the pace of our modification activity has slowed. Going forward, we expect fewer new modifications while some portion of our previous modifications will redefault. As a result, delinquency trends may deteriorate; however, this is already factored into our net loan-loss reserve balances.

In the second quarter, we recorded a modest increase in our net loan-loss reserves primarily related to home-equity loans. We ended the quarter with roughly 10 billion of our total loan-loss reserves allocated to North America real estate lending in Citi Holdings or over 27 months of coincident NCL coverage. Now, for our total North America consumer mortgage portfolio, including Citi Holdings as well as 27 billion of residential first mortgage and home equity loans in Citi Corp, our reserves also covered over 27 months of NCLs.

Slide 21 shows the trend in our key capital metrics. We ended the quarter with a Tier 1 capital ratio of 13.6% and a Tier 1 common ratio of 11.6%. Our total risk-weighted assets were 992 million -- 992 billion with roughly 28% attributable to Citi Holdings.

Looking at risk-weighted assets in more detail on slide 22, over the past few quarters Citigroup''s risk-weighted assets as reported under Basel I have been fairly constant as growth in Citicorp has been offset by a significant reduction in Citi Holdings. We currently expect risk-weighted assets under Basel I to grow slightly by low single digits as of the end of 2012.

Based on our initial analysis, last year we estimated that Basel III would result in an increase in risk-weighted assets in Citicorp of approximately 30% to 35%. Today, we believe the increase in risk-weighted assets for total Citigroup will be in the range of 35% with Citicorp''s risk-weighted assets increasing in the range of 20%.

The refinement in our estimate of the risk-weighted asset impact is based on several factors, including greater experience with Basel III risk models and key drivers and more clarity on the impact of mitigating actions. We believe our businesses in Citicorp are inherently Basel III-friendly.

For Regional Consumer Banking and Transaction Services, we expect only a slight increase in risk-weighted assets under Basel III. In Regional Consumer Banking, we serve a customer base with generally higher credit quality, which positively affects our risk weightings. Transaction Services is an asset-light business relatively little credit risk.

As expected, the greatest impact of Basel III will be on our risk-weighted assets in Securities and Banking. Of course, we will continue to refine our estimates of risk-weighted assets under Basel III as additional clarity and guidance becomes available.

Turning to capital generation on slide 23. In the first half of 2011, Citigroup earned a total of 6.3 billion of net income. We also utilized 1.5 billion of DTA. Under Basel III, we deduct a significant portion of our DTA from our equity when calculating Tier 1 common capital. Therefore, utilizing DTA generates regulatory capital by reducing the size of the DTA and hence its deduction from equity.

In addition, both earnings and the DTA usage also create a quote multiplier effect on the growth of regulatory capital. Under Basel III, the inclusion of DTA, mortgage servicing rights, and unconsolidated investments in financial subsidiaries is subject to limitation based on a percentage of Tier 1 common capital. Therefore, any growth in Tier 1 common capital results in a larger portion of these assets being included in Basel III regulatory capital.

The combined impact of earnings, DTA usage and the, “multiplier effect” generated $9 billion of Basel III Tier 1 common capital in the first half of 2011. Additionally, over time, we expect to continue to generate capital from the wind down of Citi Holdings as well as other mitigating actions. We expect to end 2012 with an 8% to 9% Tier 1 common ratio under Basel III as fully implemented, including the impact of returning capital to shareholders during the year.

Now in summary, we continue to execute our strategy in the second quarter. Now, I would like to discuss some factors which may affect our results in the second half of 2011. In North America Consumer Banking, we expect revenues to continue to stabilize in the second half of the year, while net credit losses should continue to improve. We will also continue to invest in the business.

In International Consumer Banking, our investment spending should continue to generate revenue growth. We currently expect both Asia and Latin America Consumer Banking to achieve positive operating leverage in the fourth quarter of this year. International credit costs are likely to continue to increase in the second half of the year, reflecting a growing loan portfolio.

In our institutional businesses, Securities and Banking results will continue to reflect trends in client activity, global market conditions and seasonal factors. Transaction services should continue to benefit from increased volumes and the globalization of trade and capital flows, partially offset by continued spread compression. Corporate credit costs are expected to increase, reflecting growth in corporate loans.

In local consumer lending in Citi Holdings, revenues should continue to decline given a shrinking loan balance resulting from pay downs and continued asset sales. Regarding operating expenses, the impact of the weakening U.S. dollar, as well as higher legal and related costs, total roughly 1.6 billion out of the 1.9 billion increase in our expense base in the first half of 2011 as compared to the first half of last year.

These factors will likely continue to affect our expenses in the second half of this year and will remain difficult to predict. Therefore, we expect operating expenses to remain elevated for the remainder of the year. As a result, our full-year operating expenses will likely exceed the $48 billion to $50 billion guidance that we had communicated previously.

That concludes our review of the quarter and Vikram and I will now open up the line for questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

At this time, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Glenn Schorr with Nomura.

Glenn Schorr – Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Hi there. First question is combining the slides 14 and 22, I just want to make sure I’m reading it correct. If you look and see the recent run rate of, call it, 40 to 50 of organic paydown and run-off in holdings and combine that with the 1.75 multiplier, I just want to make sure, that looks like you can get anywhere from 70 billion to 100 billion of risk-weighted asset in natural run-off on an annual basis. I’m reading that correct?

John C. Gerspach

I haven''t done that math, Glenn, I have to admit but if you take a look at the way the assets are declining, again, the way we look at the asset decline we would expect the Basel III multiplier effect on those remaining Holding assets to be about a 1.75 times at the end of next year. And how you get to that 1.75 or how you think in terms of where we end up in assets is also going to depend on where you think we end up in total asset mix of Citi Holdings'' assets.

Glenn Schorr – Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Right. And I guess I can''t get a comment on progress on CitiFinancial and private-label cards, because that is kind of in motion. Is that fair?

John C. Gerspach

That is fair.

Glenn Schorr – Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Another clarification…

John C. Gerspach

Fair that you can''t get a comment.

Glenn Schorr – Nomura Securities International, Inc.

I understand. Slide 26 on your exposure to the GIIPS, formerly known as the PIIGS, I just want to make sure I am reading this correct also. Of the 13 billion in net exposure, only 1 is to sovereigns or a little more than 1 and that next comment is what I want clarification on. Is 70% of the 6 billion to the financial institutions in subs that are to -- non-GIIPS subs to outside the GIIPS region, right?

John C. Gerspach

Let me give you an example of something that might be contemplated by that comment. Say that we had a deposit in a branch, a separately capitalized sub of one of the GIIPS banks, offshore, out of the GIIPS zone, but that deposit was guaranteed by the parent company in one of the GIIPS countries. We would count that in the 6 billion as being part of the exposure merely because it''s covered by a parent company guaranty.

Glenn Schorr – Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Got it. And then the net takeaway of slide 26 is that you feel like you are in pretty good shape and you have been preparing for this and netting your exposure out. Even your unfunded exposure is to large multinationals. That is the net takeaway that we are supposed to take away, correct?

John C. Gerspach

You can draw your own conclusion, but obviously we have been telling you that we thought the exposure was manageable now we have provided you more detail. And it’s obviously something that we have been working for a long time. But above that, Glenn, we think that this exposure, as it is today, it''s appropriately -- it''s an appropriate number given our size, our stature and our business model.

Vikram S. Pandit

Let me add one thing to that. I think what Glenn is talking about is in some ways getting a handle on -- is this appropriate business? So what is appropriate business? And that is exactly the reason, Glenn, that we have provided you with the appropriate amount of transparency to sort of get beyond the headline numbers. So, for example, you talked about the sovereign exposure a little bit more than $1 billion, well, that number has come down a lot over time and we have gone through that process the last few quarters.

On the other hand, you asked about the financials. That is an interesting one because let me tell you what we did last quarter. We worked with some of the financial institutions in the region to create lending that is collateralized and secured and out of subsidiaries in other parts of the world. Now, that is the right thing and the right kind of business. It''s right for our client, it''s right for our investors, it''s right for our shareholders and there are going to be other great opportunities that is considered by us to be appropriate business but that will get picked up in some of these numbers, which is why differentiation and transparency is important as well here.

We have also given you, as you know, a breakdown between funded and unfunded lines. You know very well the conditions that are required to be met by borrowers before they draw unfunded lines. As you can see, a lot of that exposure is to multinational clients as well. So differentiation is important, I think the question you asked is important and that is why we have given you this kind of transparency. And I really think that is the kind of transparency you should expect.

Glenn Schorr – Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Okay. And just a quick, quick one to wrap up. Vikram, you had mentioned you are concerned about the economic impact on the industry for the second half. Maybe just a little clarification to spoon feed, how could that manifest itself to the industries? It just means slower growth for everybody, is that your point?

Vikram S. Pandit

Well, I think -- well, it''s uncertain growth is what the notion is. And I don''t -- you watch what is going on around the world as well as anybody else on this call. There is just a lot of uncertainty out there. It may not be uncertainty that leads to any kind of crises, but it is the kind of uncertainty that can affect people''s confidence and can affect trading volumes in the market, it can affect how spreads go on and we think it''s that kind of uncertainty, while we all hope gets resolved soon, is likely to last through the rest of the year.

That doesn''t necessarily affect all the underlying trends in terms of the emerging market consumer. All the underlying themes are still intact, but near-term we just think there is a lot of uncertainty that could undermine confidence and affect volumes and affect the kind of growth one could see. Now that could turn, too. If somebody -- if you had more certainty in certain aspects of the world, you could see the risk rate (inaudible) on as well. So that is really the point.

Glenn Schorr – Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Got it. Thank you very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Goldberg with Barclays Capital.

Jason Goldberg – Barclays Capital

Thank you. Just, I guess, a follow-up. I thought the disclosure on 14 and 15 on the Citi Holdings run-off was helpful and I guess you commented that it slowed. It looks like it''s kind of now down to the high single-digit type billion-dollar per quarter run-off pace. Is that kind of what we should expect go forward just from kind of pay downs and losses?

John C. Gerspach

Well, I think as the portfolio continues to shrink the paydowns will reduce as well. Let me just -- as a percentage. So, again, we have tried to give you enough on page 14 and page 15 that you can kind of conduct your own analysis.

Jason Goldberg – Barclays Capital

Okay. Fair enough. You kind of gave us the denominator, but, on the numerator on Basel III, where would you pay Tier 1 common today on a dollar basis versus where you would see it under Basel III and maybe just some similar color there.

John C. Gerspach

What we said there, Jason, is that we -- as we have been saying, we intend to operate at an 8% to 9% Tier 1 common range under Basel III by the end of next year but that is our target, that has been our target for the last nine months. And we have been consistent with that because we think that that is the right level of capital for us to have and that is what we are working towards for next year.

Jason Goldberg – Barclays Capital

Got it. Then just lastly, you have commented about the operating expenses being above your prior guidance. Would you care to put kind of a new bracketed range on that?

John C. Gerspach

I will tell you, Jason, given the continued weakening of the dollar and the uncertainty surrounding -- around the industry regarding litigation matters, I would say that what you should do is take a look at where we are today and figure that we are going to be around those levels going forward, subject again to whatever might happen with the dollar and those litigation matters.

Jason Goldberg – Barclays Capital

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jim Mitchell with Buckingham Research.

James Mitchell – Buckingham Research

Hi. Good morning. Quick question on the Basel III target, you mentioned that is inclusive of buybacks or dividends or both. Can you kind of give any kind of indication of what that magnitude that is contemplated in that target or is it mostly buy back?

John C. Gerspach

We are not going to get ahead of ourselves here. We are looking, as we said, to return -- we expect to be able to return capital to shareholders next year, but we are not going to start to comment yet as to what the size of the timing of that may be.

James Mitchell – Buckingham Research

Fair enough. But do you think, is it mostly buy back-oriented or dividend-oriented, do you think?

John C. Gerspach

Same comment. I think we are a little early in trying to structure how that divide might work. Obviously, given where our stock is trading, when you have the stock trading below book value, below tangible book value, that would certainly color your thinking.

James Mitchell – Buckingham Research

Yeah. Fair enough. And then maybe on the assets and holdings, it was helpful in terms of the table and how to think about the wind down. Can you maybe give some help on how to think about the risk-weighted asset? What is heavier, I guess, in Citi Holdings in terms of risk-weighted assets under Basel III versus what are lighter? So is it mortgages that are the biggest hit or is it the Special Asset Pool and we can kind of do our own conclusions on the pace of run-off from the individual assets?

John C. Gerspach

Well, Basel III certainly puts a premium on any type of asset that is resulting from a securitization and so that would sort of draw your attention to more of assets that are in the Special Asset Pool.

James Mitchell – Buckingham Research

Right. So to the extent that you can move those down more quickly that could be helpful?

John C. Gerspach

That would be logical conclusion, yes.

James Mitchell – Buckingham Research

Right. Okay, one last question on the legal expenses. Can you give us a sense of what that might have been in the quarter so we can just sort of make our own projections on how to think about what is kind of the run rate and then on top of that what is the legal expenses 2Q?

John C. Gerspach

Again, I think what we are talking about is the growth in the legal expenses year-on-year. As we have said, the litigation and related matters added roughly $900 million to our expense base in the first half of this year compared to the first half of last year and so that is about the level that we are looking at.

James Mitchell – Buckingham Research

But we don''t know what it was last year, so we don''t have the absolute number?

John C. Gerspach

No, and I am not going to go into exactly what we had baked into what last year was.

James Mitchell – Buckingham Research

Okay. All right. Well, thanks a lot.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Guy Moszkowski with Bank of America.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Good morning.

John C. Gerspach

Hi Guy.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

On some of those expenses, I think I heard you say that basically all of the increase in Citi Holdings'' quarterly expense, which was about 200 million up from last quarter, was due to those legal expenses. Was that right?

John C. Gerspach

That is what we said, yes.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Okay. And do you think that we should run that forward at around that level for the remainder of the year, is that right?

John C. Gerspach

No, I am not going to say that you should run those Citi Holdings expenses, at least that level of litigation in Citi Holdings.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

And are you going to be trying to -- do you think you will be able to achieve any reductions in the underlying operating expense in Citi Holdings over the remainder of the year? Because it looked like there was pretty good progress in the earlier part of this year there and then obviously you have kind of given some of that up with these legal expenses.

John C. Gerspach

And we continue to drive down the Citi Holdings expenses as we drive down assets. And I think we do have a pretty good track record and you should assume that as we continue to drive down the assets in Citi Holdings, we will get expense saves coming out of the business. That is clearly the way that we are operating Citi Holdings. And to your point, we hit a little bit of a bump on the road this year -- this quarter due to some legal and related costs.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Okay. In Citicorp and Securities and Banking, obviously we don''t get a lot of color on what the expenses are, but it looks like overall your expense load went up about 100 million even though your revenues fell sequentially by about 500 million. What is going on there? Have you added fixed costs? Were there some one-time items there that we should be thinking about?

John C. Gerspach

No, there is no significant one-time item that is -- that I can recall hitting Securities and Banking. And what we have said is we are continuing to build out the banking franchise, so there was some adds there. I would say that we are roughly two-thirds through what we would want to accomplish as far as building out the banking franchise and that is about it as far as anything significant that would have gone into Securities and Banking.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Okay. Fair enough. The Brokerage and Asset Management unit, obviously mostly driven by Morgan Stanley Smith Barney, was the decline that we saw there really largely revenue and volume-related? Was there anything with respect to sort of an expense share between yourselves and Morgan Stanley, which I know sometimes has bumped the numbers around or was this really just the underlying environment?

John C. Gerspach

No. It''s a little bit of the underlying environment, but don''t forget that because of the way the JV works, there are certain deposits that feed the JV and then with the increase overall in FDIC assessment, that also works its way through the JV. And so that did have an impact on it as well.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Okay. That helps. Now, in Citi Holdings the net interest revenue went negative. Is that sort of an anomaly with respect to the asset sales that took place or something or should we -- or, in fact, with the asset sales that have taken place, should we now expect that maybe that''s a permanent fixture of that business, that negative carry?

John C. Gerspach

That''s a great question. Obviously, as we continue to drive down yielding assets in Citi Holdings -- and in this quarter, as you said, we got rid of that 13 billion of securities that we had in the hold to maturity. That is certainly going to impact the net interest income coming out of both the special asset pool as well as Citi Holdings in total.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

So should we think that that''s sort of a negative carry going forward or was that somewhat anomalous but we should obviously take into account that with assets lower, net interest income will be lower no matter what? What is the best way to look at it?

John C. Gerspach

Again, I''m not going to get into exactly how you should be taking a look at your model. But yes, net interest revenue out of Citi Holdings will be under pressure.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

And you alluded to the asset sale which appears to have been very beneficial in terms of gains, but what was the RWA reduction that maybe on a current or a Basel III basis would be more helpful that you achieved by getting rid of those assets in the quarter?

John C. Gerspach

Well, we haven''t directly commented on that, but I have seen analysts'' reports that have estimated that that $12.7 billion of securities could have generated as much of $100 billion of risk-weighted assets under Basel III and we haven''t challenged any of those estimates.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Okay. Fair enough. And then I just have one more question about the foreclosure issues that are obviously in the midst of negotiation, so we don''t have a settlement yet. But I seem to remember that Citi had undertaken a review of foreclosure procedures before the whole thing really started blowing up last September and the sense I had was that your procedures were more compliant with what''s needed than at some other places. Do you expect to get the benefit of that in terms of how much of the industry foreclosure settlement you might have to shoulder yourselves?

John C. Gerspach

As you said, it''s unclear as to exactly where these talks are headed at this point in time and we would expect that if it''s possible, we would like to work with the other banks to structure a settlement that is both fair and reasonable and would take into account all pertinent factors.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

And do you think that it''s a pertinent factor that you had undertaken that review and would appear to have had a somewhat different procedure for foreclosures?

John C. Gerspach

What do you think?

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Well, I would think it would matter, but we never really got a lot of color on the degree to which it reduced robo-signing issues and the like.

Vikram S. Pandit

Again, as with any set of discussions, along with amount there will be discussions as far as how those amounts get apportioned and how those amounts get structured. So I''d say all of that is in the mix right now.

Guy Moszkowski – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Okay. That''s great. Thank you very much for taking my questions.

Operator

Sir, I do apologize you. Your next question comes from the line of Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley.

Betsy Graseck – Morgan Stanley

Hi. Good morning. John, you talked a little bit about the FX impact on expenses. Could you give us some color on the FX impact on revenues?

John C. Gerspach

Yeah. Sure, Betsy. FX impacts, foreign exchange impacts, not just expense but also revenues and net credit losses. Last quarter I think we said that for the firm as a whole when you looked at the impact of FX on those three components, it was basically a zero for the entire corporation. This quarter when you take a look at the impact of revenues, expenses and net credit losses, it''s roughly about $100 million positive. So the total impact of FX roughly adds about $100 million to our pretax income.

Betsy Graseck – Morgan Stanley

Okay. So you should have some areas, obviously, where you''re getting a little bit of positive operating leverage, I would expect, from the FX itself. Is that right?

John C. Gerspach

That''s fair that the FX impact would -- again, it has a different impact on different parts of the businesses but there would be some that the benefit on the revenues would certainly outweigh the benefit of the expenses, yes.

Betsy Graseck – Morgan Stanley

Obviously, there''s a little bit of (inaudible) around the expectation that the expenses in total are going to be above the 50 -- 48 to 50 that you talked about at the beginning of the year. Can you talk through what you are doing to keep a tight lid on expenses in areas where you are not investing? Have you done as much as you can there? Is there any opportunities to increase expense saves in areas you are not investing in?

John C. Gerspach

And I think we are attacking that pretty hard. Look, we don''t like the idea that our expenses are going to be above the guidance any more than anybody else does. We -- when you are faced with $700 million impact in the first half due to foreign exchange and, say, roughly $900 million due to the increase in legal and related expenses, you have got two decisions to make. You can either manage back down to the guidance by cutting your investment programs or you can agree that you are going to press on but, as we have always said, continue to find reductions in your base. And don''t forget we have targeted -- our basic operating mantra is that every business should be able to find approximately 3% to 5% of productivity saves every year. And that is actually the way that we have been operating and we will continue to operate.

So if you think about the first half of the year, we talked about $1.6 billion worth of impact due to foreign exchange in legal and related. During that time, the impact of investments is a little bit north of $1.5 billion, so we have made about $1.5 billion of investments and we have had roughly 50% of those investment dollars covered by productivity saves in the business. And so we are continuing to actively manage our expense base.

Again, we are very conscious of -- you guys are very focused on expenses. I got to tell you, so are we. But we are also trying to make sure that we are putting the right expense dollars into the businesses to grow operating margin. We think that that is what you want us to do and that is really what we are doing. Now we began investing last year. We called that the fact that we were beginning to invest in our consumer businesses in Asia and Latin America. We -- when you start investing in your consumer businesses, you have got roughly a 12- to 18-month lead time before you really begin to see something positive, an operating leverage, coming out of those investments.

And in both of those geographies, as we said on the call, our expectation is that beginning in the fourth quarter of this year, you will see positive operating leverage in both the Regional Consumer Banking businesses in Asia and in Latin America. Now that is pretty much on schedule. Subsequently, now we have begun investing just this quarter really putting investment dollars behind the North America consumer bank. That is going to follow the same rough pacing as our investments in Asia and Latin America. So again it''s going to be a second half of 2012 story as far as gaining positive operating leverage out of the North America consumer bank.

In similar fashion, we are taking -- we are making investments, continuing to make investments in transaction services this year. That is a business that you can starve in investments for a very short period of time but then you need to catch up. We are making those investments now. The expectation would be, again, that sometime in 2012, I am not going to give you an exact quarter, we should start to see again positive operating leverage coming out of transaction banking. And that might happen even sooner if we get a rise in interest rates.

So we have got plans in place for every one of our Citicorp businesses -- and I left out Securities in Banking and I didn''t mean to -- but obviously, we have been focused on rebuilding the banking platform in Securities and Banking. And as I think I mentioned during the call, we think we are about two-thirds of the way through that buildout program. You start to see this quarter we had some nice results coming out of the Investment Banking group. That is something that we hope we can build on into the future. But every business has got a targeted investment program and I think for the purposes of this question, maybe more importantly a very targeted reengineering program that is really focused on driving those 3% to 5% productivity saves out of each of the businesses as well as the corporate staff units.

Betsy Graseck – Morgan Stanley

So are we at the point where that 1.5 gross -- pre the offsets that you have, that $1.5 billion gross investment spend is stabilizing in the second half or moving up as Asia and LatAm are -- I don''t know if they are on a run rate and you are increasing in the U.S.?

John C. Gerspach

Yeah, I would say that you should still consider the second half of this year to be dominated by those three factors. Again, FX and legal, I don''t know how to forecast, but clearly we are going to stay in an investing mode in those businesses. But, again, you should start see the revenues outpace the investment spend in both Asia and in Latin America in the fourth quarter.

Betsy Graseck – Morgan Stanley

Right. And I guess just my basic question was does the investment -- you are ramping up investment spend in the U.S. Is that offset by pulling back on the investment spend in Asia and Latin America because you have done what you need to do or does that 1.5 billion go up a little bit, offset by the operating leverage that you expect to get 4Q and on in the Latin America and Asia regions?

John C. Gerspach

Well, what you are going to see -- just because of the lapping of the expense growth you should start to see moderating levels of expense increase coming out of both Latin America and Asia.

Betsy Graseck – Morgan Stanley

All right. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John McDonald with Sanford Bernstein.

John McDonald – Sanford C. Bernstein

Hi. John, in terms of the positive refinement of the Citicorp RWA inflation, could you share any color on which areas were refined in your analysis?

John C. Gerspach

It''s basically every one of them. As you work through the models -- I may have mentioned this in other calls. Don''t forget the U.S. never moved to Basel II, so really it has only been since everyone has gotten tremendously focused on Basel III that we have actually really spent a lot of time on a daily operating basis working through what are the impacts of various calculations. And everything on Basel III is model driven and I have made this comment before.

Basel III turns your regulatory balance sheet into one giant Level three asset. And so it''s working with every one of the models in every one of the businesses that just provides you some greater clarity.

John McDonald – Sanford C. Bernstein

Okay. And are the numbers you are giving us as the multipliers and kind of the year-end 2012 are those fully mitigated or would you have more mitigation that can be done beyond 2012 at Corp and Holdings?

John C. Gerspach

Well, I wouldn''t say that mitigation would be completed, but we certainly believe that by the end of 2012, we will certainly get through the bulk of the mitigating actions. However, as in anything else, the more you work on it, the more you learn. And so it may very well be that you continue to work we will find even more mitigating actions that we can do.

John McDonald – Sanford C. Bernstein

Okay. And then in terms of the numerator side of Basel III, those deductions are scheduled to phase in over many years, not starting until 2014. Have you been told by regulators that you and other banks may need to meet the Basel requirements on an accelerated basis or is it your sense that the banks will just need to meet the requirements according to the timeline that has been set forth by the Basel committee?

John C. Gerspach

I don''t believe that we are going to be required to meet the Basel III requirements any earlier than whatever the U.S. rules -- again, I don''t know what the U.S. rules are going to say. But assuming they somewhat track the language that has been passed by the Basel committee, I don''t expect us to be held to a higher standard any earlier. But I do believe that one of the things that the regulatory bodies will look for is a credible path to get to those Basel III requirements and I think that is what the financial institutions will need to demonstrate.

John McDonald – Sanford C. Bernstein

But your 8% to 9%, just to be clear, that you are talking at being at next year, that kind of conservatively fast forwards those deductions, right? That includes those deductions that technically don''t start till 2014. Is that right?

John C. Gerspach

That is correct.

John McDonald – Sanford C. Bernstein

Okay. And then the last question on the net interest margin at the top of the house. I think you talked a little bit about NII at Holdings. Just how do you see -- what are the kind of puts and takes for your NIM and net interest income all-in at Citicorp and Citigroup for the next couple quarters?

John C. Gerspach

Okay, let''s start with this quarter. So we had about a six basis point decline in NIM quarter on quarter and there is roughly, say, five factors that drove NIM decline first quarter to second quarter. Number one would have to be the FDIC assessment. The increase in the FDIC tax cost us about four basis points of NIM in the quarter.

The second factor would be loans. The combination of those higher-yielding loans running off in Citi Holdings combined with the lower, somewhat lower yielding net loan growth in Citicorp that had about a nine basis point impact -- a negative impact on our NIM.
The third factor, we had some additional borrowing costs in some of our trading businesses to fund some client positions. That was a little bit higher than the first quarter, that was three basis points. So those were the bad guys. And then on the good guy side, this quarter we had -- we didn''t have the reserve build in CitiFinancial in Japan that we had in the first quarter, so that was seven basis points to the good.

And then, as we begin to roll -- run down our long-term debt, that added about a three basis point positive to our NIM. So I think I have got the math right, that should net out to roughly six basis points. So as you think going forward, it''s going to be -- the FDIC now should be behind us, that is kind of baked in and it''s going to be that combination of what happens with the run-off in loans in Holdings, the loan growth in Citi, the impact of the continued run-off in the long-term debt. And so I would say over the next two quarters, absent some significant portfolio sale coming out of holdings, you should probably see NIM be plus or minus one or two basis points from where we are right now.

John McDonald – Sanford C. Bernstein

Okay. Is the magnitude of the roll-off of long-term debt similar going forward to what we saw this quarter?

John C. Gerspach

It will be a little bit less. Don''t forget this quarter about 8 billion of the run-off was due to debt buybacks that we did in the quarter. So I think absent the debt buyback it would be about 16 billion of a decrease and that is probably more indicative of what you could expect in the next couple of quarters.

John McDonald – Sanford C. Bernstein

Okay. And then in terms of the interest-earning assets, there was a little bit of growth. You had a little bit of loan growth net and then also some looks like increasing in liquidity still. Is that preparing for regulatory or is that just deposit inflows and nothing else to do with the money?

John C. Gerspach

Well, we do continue to build up cash. Now actually we drove the cash down quarter-on-quarter, that was primarily we used the cash to buy back debt. So we are at somewhat of an equilibrium right now as far as loan reductions and asset run-off and -- which generates cash and then the use of cash as far as funding loans.

John McDonald – Sanford C. Bernstein

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ron Mandle with GIC.

Ronald Mandle – GIC

Hi. Thank you, I have a couple things. One, I was wondering about the tax rate down from the first quarter, if this is a good level to think about for the second half of the year or how we should think about that?

John C. Gerspach

Yeah, and, Ron, the short answer is yes it is. Again, depending upon the -- this certainly reflects where we think the business mix is. Now when I say a good level, you need to look at the level for the first half of the year. Don''t forget, at the end of every quarter what we do is we reassess the mix of our earnings for the remainder of the year and then adjust the tax rate.

So if you look at the tax rate for the first half of the year, it''s probably somewhere in the neighborhood of, say, 25% and that is because that reflects where we believe our tax rate will be for the entirety of 2011. So we had a slightly higher tax rate in the first quarter and now we have actually -- by lowering the tax rate to 22% or whatever it was in the second quarter, it gets us down to a first-half tax rate of 25% and that is our view of the rest of the year.

Now again, that is also going to depend upon how the mix in our earning streams run in actual for the second half of the year, but that is where we think we are right now.

Ronald Mandle – GIC

Okay. And would we say a little creep upward next year at this point?

John C. Gerspach

Well, we have always said, Ron, that we actually think the long-term -- the normal tax rate for us is going to be something in the 28%, 29%, maybe as high as 30% range. But if you want to say in the range of 29% that pretty much has been our thinking and continues to be our thinking as to where we end up a little bit longer term.

Ronald Mandle – GIC

Okay. Thanks. And then in regard to questions about the legal, one aspect was you had mentioned that Holdings expenses were up 185 million mainly due to legal but with the assets down ex, legal expenses would likely have been down. So I guess my conclusion is that you actually provided considerably more than the 185 million for incremental legal expenses for Holdings.

John C. Gerspach

I wouldn''t challenge your analysis, Ron.

Ronald Mandle – GIC

Thank you. And I guess where I am going with that is could you discuss some of the legal issues in a little bit more detail? You know GSE putback, private-label putback, maybe what some of the other legal issues are.

John C. Gerspach

Well, we don''t really -- we don''t comment specifically on litigation matters, but don''t forget the putback, certainly the repurchase, that doesn''t go through litigation. That is actually a charge against revenue.

Ronald Mandle – GIC

Right and how much was that in the quarter?

John C. Gerspach

We provided an additional $224 million to the reserve in the quarter. I believe that is laid out actually on a schedule in the appendix of the investor deck.

Ronald Mandle – GIC

Okay. Thanks. Thanks very much.

John C. Gerspach

You are welcome, sir.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Matt O''Connor with Deutsche Bank.

Matthew O’Connor – Deutsche Bank

Hi guys.

John C. Gerspach

Hi Matt, how are you?

Matthew O’Connor – Deutsche Bank

Good. Thanks. Two separate follow-ups to topics that have come up. On the FX revenue impact it''s helpful to give, broadly speaking, the numbers of maybe 500 million or 600 million. From a geographic point of view, does it show up in net interest income and fees, a combination?

John C. Gerspach

I am sorry?

Matthew O’Connor – Deutsche Bank

The FX revenue boost, does that show up evenly in net interest income and fees or one more than the other?

John C. Gerspach

I can''t answer that, I am sorry. It certainly impacts every one of our revenue lines. It depends upon obviously the denomination of the curry that the different revenues are booked in and I’m sorry I just don’t have the break out in front of me between interest and noninterest.

Matthew O’Connor – Deutsche Bank

Okay. And then certainly just a follow-up on, I think John’s question about the margin and noninterest come dollars going forward. You know, if the NIMs relatively stable from (inaudible) obviously the positive loan growth that you saw this quarter is fairly (inaudible), sounds like it is sustainable. So should we expect net interest income dollars to continue to rise up the second quarter level.

John C. Gerspach

Again, certainly from the Citi Corp perspective, you know, that is what we would expect, Citi Holding is, it can be depended upon what assets run off and the timing of those run-offs as well.

Matthew O’Connor – Deutsche Bank

Okay. But I guess as we think about loan growth overall, absent large asset sales out of Citi Holdings, it seems like you should be able to generate that loan growth for the overall company from here.

John C. Gerspach

Yes